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How do I process a VAT return that includes a scaffold hire invoice that applied RC vat to it, but I cannot claim the VAT back as its appearing in VAT return details

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Best answer by paul72

section of VAT detail report already submitted to HMRC

 

Box 4 VAT reclaimed on purchases

 

29/12/2021Bill4870  Scaffolding Services LtdRCSGP-20.020.00%1,995.00399.00689.25

 

This is how I entered one of their previous bills onto Quickbooks

 

 

I had tried entering it as RCPCIS-20.0 and was getting same result on VAT detail report. A friend of mine who uses QB and a scaffold hire company were using the RC SG code, so I assumed that was the one I needed to use too. I will use the RCPCIS-20.0 on the current bill and see if it makes a difference to the VAT detail report.

 

This is for a bill already processed and VAT return already submitted to HMRC

 

Category: CIS GROSS (0%)   Description: Cost,  Amount £1995.00, VAT 20.0% RC SG 

 

 

Memo
 
Subtotal
£1,995.00
 
VAT @ 20% on 1,995.00399.00
VAT @ -20% on 1,995.00-399.00
Total
£1,995.00
Less CIS
 
Balance due
£0.00
 

This is their latest bill to me.

 

Ref: Part Rear Elevation
Description of Works:
3 no. lift scaffold on the 2 no. rear elevations of the building, fully boarded to
accommodate for access for painting & decoration, as discussed on site.
Total Balance:
£1995.00 + VAT
This invoice:
‐ £995.00 + VAT
Upon Completion of 1/2 the rear elevations.
Remaining Balance £1000.00 + VAT

955.00

Domestic Reverse Charge applies
VAT is to be paid at the prevailing rate by the supplier of the service
VAT = £191.00

 

Net £955.00

 

 
 


@gcj1971 wrote:

 

I had tried entering it as RCPCIS-20.0 and was getting same result on VAT detail report. A friend of mine who uses QB and a scaffold hire company were using the RC SG code, so I assumed that was the one I needed to use too. I will use the RCPCIS-20.0 on the current bill and see if it makes a difference to the VAT detail report.

 

If the purchase is covered by Domestic Reverse Charge for Construction Services (CIS Reverse Charge) then use 20% RC CIS code (or 5% RC CIS for reduced rate services).

20.0% RC SG should NOT be used for this - it is for purchase of "services bought from someone in another country that are classed as standard rate in the UK".

 

This help page gives detail on which boxes of the VAT Return are affected by the CIS RC codes.

20.0% RC SG hits box 6 & 7 together (rather than just 6 or 7) so your VAT return will be wrong.

 

A full list of QBO VAT Codes can be found here https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-uk/value-added-tax/common-vat-codes/00/239529

(in general, the detail on affected VAT Return boxes is all correct but please ignore large chunks of the description text - a lot of is garbage!)

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April 22, 2022

Thank you for visiting the Community today, gcj1971.

 

Let me help and route you in the right direction on how to properly handle your invoice and the reverse charge.

 

QuickBooks will have two new VAT codes (20% and 5%) that customers will be able to use to account for the VAT reverse charge. Once you’ve selected the code and saved the transaction, the online program will automatically account for the reverse charge.

 

Since you’re unable to claim the tax, I recommend consulting with your accountant for further assistance. They can guide you on how to enter the scaffold hire to the invoice and apply the reverse charge. This also ensures that you can get the VAT back and the details won’t show in the tax return details. 

 

For more details, you can go over this article: VAT domestic reverse charge for building and construction services. From there, you’ll learn what contractors and sub-contractors have to do. It also outlines the steps on how to find the codes and activate them as well as answers to common questions about the charge. 

 

This reference tackles how the domestic charge impacts your business: Check when you must use the VAT reverse charge for building and construction services.

 

Let me know in the comment section below if you have additional questions on how to track the reverse charge in QuickBooks Online (QBO). I’ll be glad to answer them for you. Have a great day ahead.  

gcj1971Author
April 23, 2022

Thanks for reply. The reverse charge applies. But as it’s a hire transaction I’m unable to claim VAT back on scaffold hire. But it’s  appearing in my VAT return as a reclaim tax, how do I remove it? 

April 23, 2022

I appreciate your time getting back, gcj1971.

 

The nature of your concern requires guidance from an accounting professional. You'll want to reach out to your accountant for advice on how to remove the VAT return that's showing as reclaim. They are experts in making sure VAT is recorded properly.

 

I suggest visiting this article to learn more about handling VAT reverse charges for scaffolding: Check when you must use the VAT reverse charge for building and construction services.

 

For your reference with VAT processing in QBO, check our Resource page through this link: VAT for QBO United Kingdom.

 

Visit us again if you need help or have other questions. It will be my pleasure to help. Stay safe and have a nice day.

January 10, 2023

Total net amount £1950.86

Customer (IE me)  to pay output tax of £390.17 to HMRC

 

Do I enter this bill on using (20.0% RC CIS) ?

 

How do I know that quickbooks is claiming this vat payment back ? Can not see the reverse charge on

previous vat returns I have done ?

paul72
January 10, 2023

Do I enter this bill on using (20.0% RC CIS) ?

Yes - that's right, @kbriddon 

 

How do I know that quickbooks is claiming this vat payment back ? Can not see the reverse charge on previous vat returns I have done ?

You will see the £390.17 on both sides of the VAT Return.  In both Box 1 (VAT due on sales and other outputs) & Box 4 (VAT reclaimed in the period on purchases and other inputs) - so they effectively cancel out.

 

If you are an End-User (for RC VAT purposes) you should contact the supplier & ask them to re-invoice with standard VAT.

 

Hope this helps.