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How do I account for the government stimulus business loan of 40K?

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Best answer by Rochelley

Hello @Dan Barber ,

 

You will need to set up a Long-Term Liability account in your COA for this loan, naming it appropriately (perhaps CEBA Loan for 'The Canada Emergency Business Account' Loan.  Your initial entry will be:

 

DR     Bank

CR     Loan Liability Account

 

Each time a payment is made, the entry will affect the accounts as follows:

 

CR    Bank

DR    Loan Liability Account

 

If the loan is repaid by December 31, 2022, 25% will be forgiven (up to $10,000).  If this is the case, the following JE would need to be made:

 

DR    Bank

CR    Other Income Account (not Sales income as it is not from operational activities)

 

If the loan is not repaid by December 31, 2022, the remaining balance will be converted to a three-year term loan at 5% interest.  At this point, you would need to get yourself an amortization schedule (a very good one is here:  https://www.cchwebsites.com/content/calculators/CASimpleLoan.html), beginning with the Loan Balance as of Dec 31, 22, and calculated with simple interest until the loan is paid off in full.  Let's say that you had only paid back $20,000 by Dec 31, 22.  Amortization would be as follows:

 

 

 

Of course there would be 36 payments in total.  You can originally set up your loan payments of $599.42 to recur each month.  But you would then have to go into each monthly payment and edit the payment to distribute amounts to the following accounts (using first payment in schedule as example):

 

DR    Interest Expense        $  83.33

DR    Loan Liability Acct     $516.09

CR    Bank                                                     $599.42

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                $599.42         $599.42

 

Hope this helps :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RochelleyAnswer
April 28, 2020

Hello @Dan Barber ,

 

You will need to set up a Long-Term Liability account in your COA for this loan, naming it appropriately (perhaps CEBA Loan for 'The Canada Emergency Business Account' Loan.  Your initial entry will be:

 

DR     Bank

CR     Loan Liability Account

 

Each time a payment is made, the entry will affect the accounts as follows:

 

CR    Bank

DR    Loan Liability Account

 

If the loan is repaid by December 31, 2022, 25% will be forgiven (up to $10,000).  If this is the case, the following JE would need to be made:

 

DR    Bank

CR    Other Income Account (not Sales income as it is not from operational activities)

 

If the loan is not repaid by December 31, 2022, the remaining balance will be converted to a three-year term loan at 5% interest.  At this point, you would need to get yourself an amortization schedule (a very good one is here:  https://www.cchwebsites.com/content/calculators/CASimpleLoan.html), beginning with the Loan Balance as of Dec 31, 22, and calculated with simple interest until the loan is paid off in full.  Let's say that you had only paid back $20,000 by Dec 31, 22.  Amortization would be as follows:

 

 

 

Of course there would be 36 payments in total.  You can originally set up your loan payments of $599.42 to recur each month.  But you would then have to go into each monthly payment and edit the payment to distribute amounts to the following accounts (using first payment in schedule as example):

 

DR    Interest Expense        $  83.33

DR    Loan Liability Acct     $516.09

CR    Bank                                                     $599.42

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                $599.42         $599.42

 

Hope this helps :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

April 28, 2020

Dear Rochelley

Thanks so much for your feedback and thorough explanation; it was very helpful. 

Dan

 

April 24, 2021

Thanks for the details on how to set up.  How do I account for a Loan Discount?  My accountant wants me to make an AJE to adjust CEBA and RRRF loan to Future Value on the date of loan received. 

Please help. 

April 26, 2021

Hi hotelguru2020,

 

Thank you for reaching out in the QuickBooks Community with your question. Creating adjusting entries is often a part of your bookkeeping process. I can guide you to the right support.

 

I'm able to provide you the technical support for creating a journal entry. I have a couple of articles that go over setting up the loan and creating journal entries:

Your entry will increase/decrease the accounts that your accountant has indicated. Your accountant is a specialist in their field and best suited to advise you of the amounts and accounts that the adjusting entries will affect. Every company has its own chart of accounts, and your accountant is familiar with how yours is set up.

 

If you have any other questions, please reach out. I'm here to help. Have a great day!

April 27, 2021

Nobody has mention that 10K if you borrowed 40K, or 20K if you borrowed 60K; must be counted as income in the tax year you received your CEBA.  The same applies for CEWS and this must be declared for the tax year for the cews claim period, not when you actually received the CEWS money.  So remember to include the CEBA and CEWS as other income per CRA rules.

 

Of cource, you will receive a credit for CEBA,if you don't pay back the 30K or 40K back by the end of 2022, but hey who is going to throw away free money.

 

Google Taxing the CEBA and CEWS for more information.

 

 

September 22, 2021

Hi,

I was reading the thread below.... and perhaps this was already answered but may not be clear to me.

 

how does the RRRF funding should be classified in COA? and when deducting from that amount for operating expenses or previous loan what category should it be?

 

Also, if the RRRF is paid prior to Dec 2022, how should that payment be classified and the forgivable amount be classified, since that will be taxable?

 

Appreciate any input