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August 11, 2022
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Payroll Fraud

  • August 11, 2022
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Our Employees direct deposit in QB was hacked/changed and QB funded the deposits to errored/fraud banks. All deposits for different people went to the same bank (obvious fraud). We found out about it on payday. I spent hours on the phone with QB trying to get them to stop or reverse direct deposit. They could see the banks and routing had been changed. 

 

Then we got our bank to stop pay to QB payroll so we could pay our employees. Then this week QB has us locked out of payroll and we have sent everything to the Fraud email and even though it says a reply will be provided in 48 hours it wasn't. We got an email from QB demanded the money they funded to the fraud accounts. 

 

So we are using a system that offers no security to businesses or employees for their payroll. QB should definitely be able to reverse a charge or not chargeback a business who was a victim of fraud. We have all the police reports, cyber crimes info etc and can't a hold of a human at QB who can get this issue resolved. MEANWHILE QB is paying out to fake banks in the UK with no security whatsoever. 

 

ITS ABSURD. 

14 replies

May 9, 2023

We, too, would join you if you do manage to start a movement, but that's a huge undertaking.  You can reach us, if you do, at [removed] or [email address removed].  This happened to us or rather, through us.  We are a CPA firm that processes payroll and other accounting functions for many, many clients.  Two of my clients were hacked - somehow, through my login.  The first suggestion I have for you, is to institute MFA-2 party verification, if you haven't already.  Secondly, something to consider, according to QB, they 'front' the funds for payroll, which is why they so zealously go after you for this.  One of my clients said, 'who signed me up for that? I don't need QB to front my payroll.'  Apparently, it is just the way they do it and then you are responsible if that payroll is not legit.  But, nowhere do they tell you that.  I have one client whose solution was to stop using direct deposit through QB and start using ACH through her bank.  In order to do this, you run your payroll as normal through QB and then, just 'pretend' that you are going to write checks. Then contact your bank and set up an ACH process, whereby you just then enter in the net amount of your employee's checks.  Just one more safeguard against fraud.  Most banks have this process on business accounts and then you are no longer paying direct deposit fees to QB.  One of my clients was able to get QB to waive all of this for him, but the battle took months during which time we manually did payroll for him outside of QB, which leads to a whole host of other issues like manual W2s and payroll taxes.  Another client was not so lucky and had to pay QB $7,000! And, nowhere, at any time, did QB ever actually have to prove that they put this money out.  I found that amazing, that they can just 'say' that they fronted this money and you are now responsible to repay them and will have assets seized and be taken to collection with no more proof than a letter from a lawyer.  This whole process left a horrible taste in our mouths. 

April 1, 2024

Wow, I just found this Quickbooks Community and can't believe all the people that are in the same payroll fraud boat!  My husband and I have a small business and switched from Quickbooks desktop to online and added the online payroll about a year ago. We actually had a huge problem of duplicate entries which really messed up our W-2s. However, the more pertinent issue is we were scammed recently through email by someone impersonating our contractor, who I pay though ACH on Quickbooks. The email looked like it was coming from my husband with his legitimate email and his 6 line signature!! He supposedly told my husband that he was switching banks and gave us his new routing and account#s, but the email actually came directly to me, so off the.money went and we were not aware of it till about 5 days later when our contractor asked where his payment was. Well, then I drilled down into that email and realized it did not come from Tim, but a impersonator, who did get the money. I immediately called our bank's fraud hotline and it took about a week for them to file a claim, which was rejected, but we persevered and they did finally reimburse us.  However, the next day, the emails and phone calls started from Quickbooks claiming they "fronted the money" from their bank account, even though the money left our account on the day the ACH was initiated,m so where did that go?  Now, as a lot of you know they are claiming we owe them this money and they have put a hold on our payroll and say if it is not paid back within 30 days, it will go to collections.  It took 4 phone calls for someone to actually tell us that they had a fraud department, even though they claimed "we don't deal with fraud", so a claim was filed, but they told us they tried to retrieve the money, but it wasn't there-of course not, if you received fraudulent money, would you keep that account open to be used as evidence against you!!! So, just like most of you it has taken many hours of phone calls involving both my husband and myself and even an advocate at our bank. We refuse to pay them money that isn't theirs!  They keep saying it's in the terms of service as below:

The Intuit Parties won’t be responsible for the following:

  • Loss of data, profits, revenues, business opportunities, goodwill or anticipated savings;
  • Indirect, incidental, or consequential loss;
  • Punitive damages; or
  • Damages relating to failures of telecommunications, the internet, electronic communications, corruption, security, viruses, or spyware.We are considering arbitration as outlined in their terms of service-has anyone gone this route? We really are unsure what to do. Thanks for listening and appreciate any comments.
May 17, 2023

We are dealing with the same issue and not content with the situation. A random "contractor" created an account without our knowing/consent and was able to "pay" themselves thousands of dollars from our account without warning (we would like to see proof this occurred). We were not notified by QB but rather our bank did as they flagged this as fraud activity. QB decided to pay the contractor (without our authorization) that has never been in our account before. For this substantial amount it should have warranted an authorization. We authorize all payroll via our accountant and verify via QB. We pay our contractors through a different system, not QB. Neither our accountant or our staff were notified this transaction took place and was told by QB we would have to repay this amount. Very disappointed with how this is being handled.

May 19, 2023

Im very interested... I had someone hack into my account and take over 16K, QB has done nothing to stop it. I have called and spoke with a supervisor who told me that I went about the process the wrong way. I called and told them it was fraud. I stopped it at my bank  and thankfully nothing was taken out of my account. I am now being told that I am responsible for paying the 16k back to QB. Im going to need proof it was actually paid, and in reading these post I see that won't be happening. I say we need to lawyer up! 

November 7, 2023

I just got screwed as well via quickbooks direct deposit fraud. over $9000 payroll sent to fraudulent account numbers. Is there a class action lawsuit?

August 21, 2023

First of all, I'm very sorry this happened to you.  I know it may not make you feel better, but the same thing happened to me.  I hope it at least makes you feel like you are not alone.  A hacker reached two of my clients through me as a QuickBooks Online Accountant.  They created fake employees and set up payroll for them via direct deposit.  QuickBooks fraud called me about the activity.  I was able to delete all of the paychecks and employees and stop all of the activity.  A few days later, they got into another client and reactivated their inactive payroll, created employees and paid them via direct deposit.  My client stopped payment on it, but Intuit paid it anyway.  They are now coming after my client for reimbursement of that money.  A few days later, this person hacked my payments account the same way.  They changed the bank account as I'm still being charged the CC fee.  I stopped payment on it, Intuit paid it, and now they are coming after me for reimbursement.  Both accounts have now been referred to outside collections, so all of the names and case numbers I got while trying to dispute do not matter as the cases within Intuit have been closed.  It is nearly impossible to contact the fraud department and get a response.  When I did speak with someone, they could see everything that happened.  But, they apparently do not communicate with collections, and it is highly unlikely that I will ever get that person back on the phone.  This has been and is still a horrible nuisance.  It's obvious to me that Intuit does not care.  I am still in the process of moving my clients elsewhere.  I just called my state representative for guidance on how to handle. They recommended I reach out to the state's Attorney General.  I am in the process of filling out a complaint with them.  If enough people do it, maybe something can happen.